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New Yorker Avenue Child Told Not to Use Knife For Defense From Bullies

The following information was supplied by the Chelmsford Police Department. Where arrests or charges are mentioned, it does not indicate a conviction.

Nov. 6, 3:24 p.m. – A resident called saying that a home on Northgate Road she had been watching for a friend had been broken into.

Items stolen included a laptop, a stereo, and large jars filled with coins.

The woman house-sitting said she had last been in the house two days earlier and had locked the front door, but left the patio door open.

Police found that a side door had been pried open and a screen door had been removed, with attempts made to remove a window that were unsuccessful.

The only suspect the woman could think of was a man who jogged regularly in the area.

Officers told the home owner and home owner’s daughter-in-law of the incident. The daughter-in-law was out of town, but asked her husband to check on the property.

Nov. 6, 8:41 p.m. – An officer was dispatched to New Yorker Avenue for a child in possession of a large knife.

According to police reports, the child had taken the knife from his home in order to protect himself from older children in the neighborhood.

The child was advised to contact his mother immediately if the older children cause further issues instead of using a knife.

Nov.  7, 11:44 a.m. – An individual reported that a fraudulent purchase on his debit card was made on Drum Hill Road for the amount of $349.56. The individual was advised to contact his bank.

Nov. 9, 9:50 p.m. – Residents on Garrison Road reported that their house was egged by vandals, but police could not find the culprit after a search of the area. 

Andrew Sylvia (Editor) December 17, 2013 at 01:31 PM
So Prometheus, you're saying that in some situations, depending on the circumstances, you agree with what is currently classified as assault? Also, comments have been deleted due to violations of the terms of use.
Andrew Sylvia (Editor) December 17, 2013 at 01:33 PM
And thank you, Rob C. for your detailed answer! That's what I'm curious about from Iron Mike and Prometheus here. I might not get an answer at this point, but I'm still curious about the circumstances they're talking about.
Iron Mike December 17, 2013 at 01:49 PM
Andrew, you have an unfair advantage here – since you actually know the identities of these commenters. But to the point; if a kid - or you – are being bullied, [pushed / jostled / roughed up / hit], the kid or you have a right – indeed a duty – to hit back with appropriately superior non-lethal] force to STOP it – then and in the future. YES, you may have to BEAT UP the bully! AND, if the bully attacks with LETHAL intent, - you don't have any option but to act with enough force that an ambulance will be required. Some liberals think they can always TALK their way out of Harm's Way, - but sometimes there is no reasoning with thugs or Evil. Heard of the 'knockout game'? Three people dead so far – picked at random. They never had a chance to 'talk'. Parents should raise their kids to be aware of potential danger, - avoid bad situations, but never run like a coward, or watch a little guy take a beating without getting involved. So Andrew, - if a thug was pushing you around, maybe trying to take your camera and your computer, - or just beat you up, - what would you do?
Andrew Sylvia (Editor) December 17, 2013 at 02:00 PM
Iron Mike, believe it or not, I don't know the identities of these commenters. E-mail addresses, but that's it. But thank you for the clarification there! (that part before the word "liberal".) Unfortunately, I can't respond to you, my job here is to moderate and spur conversation, not become a part of it.
ron johnson December 17, 2013 at 04:29 PM
Andrew, but you have, I detect a trace of goading in your emails, not the job of a moderator. As usual we have gone far afield and the issue is bullying. The easy answer was and may still be to stand up for yourself. That can take many forms, the use of violence is one. The problem is the day in which you could just pick out the bully and fight him may be over. The use of weapons other than fists is now an issue. The old saying "in my day" may not apply. While it worked when I was the target, it may not anymore. We could have a fight and then be friends. We do not have all the facts, the age of the kids involved the nature of the bullying, the place it is occurring. even it is happens at home, does it carry-over to school? Without all the facts, how can we have an opinion. As far as one kids reaction to bullying, we can't possibly know why he killed himself, one occurrence may not be the only reason for his extreme reaction.
ChelmsfordMom December 17, 2013 at 04:37 PM
RonJohnson, regarding the boy who committed suicide, it was not one incident that led to him taking his life. From what I heard, the bullying lasted for YEARS. And finally, one day, he just couldn't take it anymore....
ron johnson December 17, 2013 at 04:46 PM
You have made my point. I remember the incident and the family and I also remember the point being made that you have made above. I however cannot accept that suicide is the only and direct result of bullying. There are always other factors involved. Some kids are targets of far worse. Where were the parents and why did he not take some responsibility. I am not condoning bullying, but suicide is not always the result.
ChelmsfordMom December 17, 2013 at 05:05 PM
Well, I did not suggest that suicide is the only and direct result of bullying. I myself was was bullied quite a bit as a child and pre-teen but I never considered suicide. However, it is clear that, for some, it (bullying) is simply too much and they feel taking their own life is the only way out. Certainly it is best if the parents step in -- but Ron -- I am sure there are PLENTY of parents who did whatever was humanly possible to save their children....but the pain was so unbearable that it just wasn't enough.
Iron Mike December 17, 2013 at 05:23 PM
Not to be rude Chelmsford Mon; - but you've spent a lot or real estate on this page shaking you finger at other commenters. You even hoped we didn't have children... WHAT did your parents counsel YOU on how to deal with your bullies, - and WHAT did you tell YOUR children?
Dirgni San December 17, 2013 at 07:02 PM
Rob C. She basically told me to turn the bullies words against her. I was five and wore corrective shoes. The bully was angry because I frequently got to some playground equipment before her at recess. She started chanting "big shoe, big shoe" and shoving me. Mom told me to tell the bully that maybe if she had big shoes she'd be faster and able to get to the playground equipment first. It worked. It shut her up and she left me alone. I've used the technique in more subtle ways since. No violence needed.
Dirgni San December 17, 2013 at 07:05 PM
I had a teacher, "Joe" in middle school who told the story of a bully that threatened him in high school. The bully said, "Meet me in the ball field after school and I'll show you who's in charge" or something like that. Then, the bully added, "you choose the weapon." Joe said, "SAT scores." Everyone watching the exchange cracked up and the bully slunk away.
Aron Levy December 17, 2013 at 10:26 PM
Stand your ground, folks! Shoot first, ask questions later.
Anna Bucciarelli December 18, 2013 at 08:04 AM
Tom C ... you are not alone, I was without my daily Patch and emails for well over a month without explanation, tho I tried signing in several times. Rob C, I agree with all you've said. Chelmsford Mom, I empathize a bit with your thinking as I have a daughter who was relentlessly bullied all through middle school but suicide because of only bullying? I think not ... at least not in our case. Tyler, glad to see you back and still kidding in, tho I rarely agree with you I enjoy the dialogue. Andrew, you say you are simply a moderator but you do engage in conversation, my friend, and give personal opinions. Dirgni, I LOVE your mom ... wise and kind in her advice to you. Aron, are you nuts, weighing in with such a comment? I cannot believe you really mean what you say.
Aron Levy December 18, 2013 at 09:00 AM
Anna, I'm rather surprised you thought I was serious. I was merely paraphrasing Mike and Prometheus, using the slogans their fellow travelers so often spout. I am a firm believer in self-defense, but attacking someone over verbal bullying? That's called assault and battery.
Aron Levy December 18, 2013 at 09:01 AM
And there are far too many examples of bullying victims taking their own lives because they cannot handle the abuse. It is a national epidemic.
Tyler Jozefowicz December 18, 2013 at 10:30 AM
Anna; thank you for the compliment. I also rarely agree with you as well. That makes us even, not bad people though. Challenging for an acknowledged liberal living in this Republican island ( mostly the older males). If you followed the thread you noticed the typical "hate Tyler" comments( some deleted by now) following the usual pattern from the usual conservative suspects. Read them a little closer from time to time . Typical senario, I make a comment , progressive comments on subject and then the personal attacks start from the same older , Caucasian teabagger male types collecting government checks every month, right on schedule.There will be feedback here from a few claiming they don't fit the profile- expected but not convincing.Knowing that you slant to the right as well from your dialogue, my suspicion is that you do not follow it that closely and/or give some pet suspects that agree with you a pass since you swing to the right. This thread is germane since it goes to cyber bullying. You know , the type where you can remain anonymous and personally insult from a safe distance. I find the best way to address bullying is to get right in their face immediately by any means necessary. Usually a good beat down works. Too bad some of the Obama haters here never took a school bullying course. Cheers.
Aron Levy December 18, 2013 at 10:41 AM
Tyler, for what it's worth the same thing happens to me from the same old suspects (emphasis on old). I make a comment, usually a cogent response to something they have said, and then they attack me. This is the modern Red Baiting.
Iron Mike December 18, 2013 at 11:06 AM
Tyler, wake up! Your man-crush on Obama is blinding you. He's made war on countless people without Congressional approval, had people locked up without hearings or trials, and as for CYBER-BULLYING – may I remind you about the NSA and PRISM? Oh, and then there's that ObamaCare law, the fines, the penalties, and the magnificent and insecure website....
Andrew Sylvia (Editor) December 18, 2013 at 12:22 PM
Ron, I apologize if what I said sounded improper here. Like I said before, the expectation of my role here is that of a moderator, but also a devil's advocate to spur discussion where appropriate. On sensitive topics like this, things can get tense at times.
Rob C December 18, 2013 at 02:53 PM
Funny that the one complaining about personal attacks against him then turns around in the same sentence and uses a derogatory sexual reference to describe the people that disagree with him. A little hint, treat others as you yourself would like to be treated.
Aron Levy December 18, 2013 at 02:58 PM
Hey Rob, you know damned well that your side was the first to use that word, before you realized it already existed under a different connotation. Grow up.
Rob C December 18, 2013 at 03:11 PM
Aron, You don’t know anything about me to know what side I am on. I am just saying that had he wanted himself to be taken seriously by others, while complaining about being called names, he would have refrained from name calling himself as he was doing it.
Aron Levy December 18, 2013 at 03:16 PM
Rob, your commentary nearly always comes from a conservative/Libertarian viewpoint. I am literate, you know. If you are not a teajadist, I apologize for the false association. But if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck... As far as Tyler goes, compared to what the three of you generally write, TJ engaged in totally harmless ribbing. Your forced offense is quite obvious.
Rob C December 18, 2013 at 03:24 PM
You are correct, I do lean more Libertarian than anything else but I am not with the Tea Party. I vote for the person that best goes along with my beliefs. I have voted for D, R, I and L in the past. I have no allegiance to one party or the other. What exactly was my "forced offensive" to him?
Aron Levy December 18, 2013 at 03:31 PM
Again, I apologize for my miscalculation of your political affiliations. And I also apologize for the inaccuracy of my phrasing: I meant that you seemed to be forcibly offended by TJ's use of the term 'teabagger.' Not that you yourself were offended, but I simply could think of no better way to write it. I appreciate your civility in this interaction, by the way. It is a welcome departure from most political discussions here on the Patch.
Anna Bucciarelli December 18, 2013 at 04:47 PM
Aron and Tyler ... just a reminder that you have both accused me of bullying, tho I could never conceive why but I think that I have often expressed opinions differing from yours and not to your liking. Not a problem, tho ... I'm a good sport and I can take it. Too bad that's not true of us all. BTW, I do lean more to the right but I am not died in the wool for any party and prefer to weigh my preferences for those who will represent me and am (surprise) often taken by someone from the left, and I really prefer to keep my options always open and am forever alert to new ideas. I don't think I am a lamb following any sheep dog, at least not yet ... one of the reasons I feel strongly about State's rights rather than National dictates. Off topic ... sorry. Sometimes I run on ahead of myself.
Aron Levy December 18, 2013 at 05:19 PM
Anna, I genuinely don't think I've ever called you a bully. If I have, I apologize. You have always been incredibly respectful, unlike some goobers. And those same goobers chastise us for staying on-topic. How droll!
Andrew Sylvia (Editor) December 18, 2013 at 05:41 PM
Hi Tara, yes you must digress to local issues, specifically the issue addressed in this article. You're welcome to start your own blog posts, but until you do, please keep comments pertinent and keep them within the terms of use, or they may be removed at will.
Anna Bucciarelli December 18, 2013 at 05:59 PM
Perhaps it was not you Aron and I apologize. It was a good while ago and so distasteful and nasty, and I do think you are more polite than some. But Tyler? Yes, he has accused me of bullying, that is clear in my mind. It's really OK, I am not offended in the least and I do think it's true that Tyler gets picked upon a bit more than most. But, then, he does his share, so tit for tat.
Anna Bucciarelli December 18, 2013 at 06:06 PM
I really DID miss you Tyler ... You get things moving better than anyone I know and keep things hoppin'. Did you lose your access to your daily Patch as I did, the reason you've been missing of late? Or did you just decide for a respite? I'm just curious (maybe nosey is a better word?).


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