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Van Liew Endorses Joyce As Second Choice

Selectman candidate Roland Van Liew offered praise for Planning Board member and fellow BoS candidate Bob Joyce in a mailer yesterday, asking voters to vote for him and Joyce.

 

 

The town election is just over one month away, and one of the candidates for the Board of Selectmen knows who will be getting his two votes on the ballot.

Candidate and local activist Roland Van Liew announced yesterday in an e-mail from the Bigger Not Better Chelmsford newsletter asked voters to support Planning Board member Bob Joyce along with himself for the April 2 town election.

In the letter, Van Liew praised Joyce on his economic views regarding town debt and tax relief.

Joyce was also the only member of the Planning Board to vote against the site plan for the 9 North Road property, an issue Van Liew has spoken on frequently in the past.

"I don’t always agree with him, but I appreciate that he tries to (utilize the evidence to) achieve the best options for the town," said Van Liew in a comment to Patch.

Joyce had no immediate comment on the endorsement and had not seen the letter indicating the endorsement as of early Wednesday evening.

Related Topics: Board Of Selectmen and town election

Benjamin Tracy

7:35 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

Now I know who else not to vote for.

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Iron Mike

7:56 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

Anyone endorsed by Chelmsford's official Town Bully,...should be regarded as his willing toady!

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Townie

7:26 am on Friday, February 22, 2013

Roland's the Bully? Try taking on one particular selectman and others involved in town politics. If you disagree with them? Watch out!

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Jon Kurland

8:28 am on Friday, February 22, 2013

Townie - In my opinion Roland is the worst kind of bully. He has used his vast financial resources to try to bully people who disagree with him with litigation and threats of litigation. Here are the people he has sued and tried to use the courts as his bully pulpit. Phil Eliopolous (case pending as well as countersuit against RVL); Frances McDougall (whose case settled without, I suspect, and payment from Fran to Roland); Colleen Stansfield (who had Roland's case dismissed by a judge early in the proceedings which is an indication that it had no legal merit and whose legal fees Roland will have to pay - Roland has appealed the dismissal but I doubt that will go anywhere either and he'll most likely have to pay Colleen's legal fees to defend the appeal); Roy Earley (allegedly for defamation for republishing on-line articles from the Sun, Independent and Patch as part of his In Town Report - that case is still pending) as well as the following suits against the town, all of which have been dismissed by the courts - 9 North Road (his case was dismissed and is on appeal); the recall litigation which was dismissed and the Freedom of Information Act allegations which were dismissed. Roland has cost the taxpayers well over $100,000 defending these meritless lawsuits.

John Gault

9:20 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

I was talking to the guy behind the photo booth at CVS, he wasn't a Joyce fan. Does this mean the Patch has to release a news story about him? I'm not sure why when a town meeting member endorses someone, this is news.

No sarcasm, just the truth.

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Andrew Sylvia

12:33 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

If the guy at CVS decides to run a write-in campaign for Selectman or he decides to pull papers next year, let me know.

Phil stanway

9:48 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

It was sent out as a mass mailing to many people in town from Better not Bigger and it is one Selectmen Candidate endorsing another Selectman Candidate. Better not Bigger is close to the World Weekly News for fact checking but they made it news as a lot of people are talking about it.

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Bob Joyce

12:01 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

FYI, I do not control what Roland Van Liew wants to say. Suffice it to say that we are two different candidates that share concerns on some issues, such as rising taxes and government transparency. All candidates in this race should be considered on their own merits.

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Townie

7:22 am on Friday, February 22, 2013

Totally agree Bob! That's why I'll be voting for you and Roland! Also, there's a silent majority in town that will be doing the same thing. You won't find them on this site or Facebook, but everyone is sick of the rising property taxes.

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Andrew Sylvia

10:02 am on Friday, February 22, 2013

One thing I wanted to add here. Our goal is to encourage comments from everybody, for any candidate or any issue. If anyone ever feels uncomfortable commenting and there's something I can do within the terms of use, please let me know.

Townie

11:19 am on Friday, February 22, 2013

Jon, I look at it as Roland having the resources and guts to take on a cast of characters that have way too much influence in town. How many times do residents have to vote something down, i.e. new schools, fire stations, and we all know who influenced The Meathouse being denied a wine and beer license. Now there are issues arising out of the location of the new fire station. I can totally understand why he took on some of those folks - his address was put up on Facebook. How creepy is that! He's been defamed on local TV shows, in town report, etc. All because he disagrees with the way the town is run. The 9 North Road thing screamed conflict of interest and everyone knew it! I will agree that he needs to do a better job fact checking before he goes after people, but where there is smoke there is usually fire. I also agree with him about our property taxes. They are ridiculously high! When you have half of the town employees making six figure salaries, something is seriously wrong!

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Jon Kurland

11:39 am on Friday, February 22, 2013

Townie - The Selectmen and others present articles for projects that they believe are in the best interests of the town. When projects are rejected by the voters, other options are considered and alternates are submitted for voter approval. When they get it right, the voters approve. That is the way a town should be run. I have not seen any instance where Roland has been defamed. Please state, with factual evidence, where Roland has been defamed. He defamed me by wrongly alleging that I was involved in backroom deals. I have on numerous occasions called him out on these falsehoods and have challenged him to debate me. He refuses. Phil Eliopolous was specifically determined NOT to have been in any conflict of interest by the State Ethics Commission and I, along with the other Selectmen invited another investigation by SEC and the Attorney General on this transaction and both refused. Roland says that property taxes are too high but he refuses to say where he will cut our budget. Moreover, he says that there are millions in savings on "no-bid" contracts yet he admits that he hasn't reviewed these contracts. Contrary to his assertion that the town will not provide them, he refused to pay for them. BTW, all small contracts are purchased through state approved vendors where we get a discount. Half of the town employees do NOT have 6 figure salaries. That is absurd. Ask teachers, librarians, clerical workers, etc. You just proved your lack of knowledge.

ron johnson

11:21 am on Friday, February 22, 2013

Jon,
I can agree with you to an extent, but I could also argue that RVL saw a wrong in his mind and is tried to correct it. First he was accused of not wanting to get involved and now he is running. I would argue that he is following through with what he believes. We have a right to vote for him or not.
I could argue that you and some who agree with your position engage in a form of bullying, he posts or somone who agrees with him posts and we can always count on a certain group to rally against him or the poster, and some will search voting records to determine who someone is (you know who you are) or state unless you show up or serve you have no right to an opinion or somehow it is uninformed. As a resident and a tax payer I always will have that right. Serving does not give anyone an enhanced right.
As a lawyer, does every client you represent hold the high moral ground in every dispute. I think not.
I do not agree with the tactics that RVL uses, but as far as I know he has the right to engage in them. The courts can and do rule against him and they can hold him liable for the other sides attorneys fees as well. That is the system.

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Jon Kurland

11:55 am on Friday, February 22, 2013

Ron - Please give me an example of how we, as town volunteers, bully him or anyone else? The fact is that Roland obtained signatures for a recall in which the paid signature gathers would ask people "Are you in favor of good government?" and then get them to sign. I received numerous calls from people who did not know that they were signing a recall and were upset. With respect to his posts, they are ofter fraught with inaccurate information designed to inflame the voters. He has made it very clear that his objective is to get rid of Paul Cohen. That is his motivation. I think Paul is a very talented town administrator who puts in countless hours to improve the town. You certainly have a right to vote for anyone you choose and I am delighted that you intend to vote. Some of my best friends know that we will cancel each others vote. As an attorney, my job is not to determine the moral integrity of my client. My function is make certain that all of my client's legal rights are protected. I have not seen a situation in Chelmsford where someone who is not involved in the town has been accused of being uninformed unless he/she is. The problem with Roland is that if you try to show how he is wrong, he will not engage in a debate or other public discourse. If you really get under his skin, it is likely he will sue you. I will never vote for a serial litigator. These are my opinions and I am fully prepared to defend them in a debate or other public forum.

Townie

11:47 am on Friday, February 22, 2013

Well, here's the article about Chelmsford town employee salaries! Maybe not half, but more than what is reasonable: http://www.lowellsun.com/todaysheadlines/ci_22110339/chelmsford-sees-jump-town-employees-earning-over-100g

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Jon Kurland

12:20 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

Townie - There are 55 employees who earned more than $100,000. That is out of a number of 1120 employees. Of those who earned over $100,000 many were policemen who were paid for private details. For example if National Grid needed a police traffic detail, National Grid would pay the Town for those details which would then be paid to those officers for that detail work. Therefore a fair amount of those salaries were actually paid by businesses who required police details and they were NOT paid from taxpayer funds.

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Rob C.

8:20 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

Jon,
The details paid for by the contractor may not come out of taxpayer funds but they do come out of taxpayers pockets when the electric, gas and cable bills come in. Why is it that Chelmsford still requires details when any work is done? I have seen police details for work done on dead end streets. All they do is stand there. Drive up in NH or any other state, there is a company employee with a stop and slow sign doing the same job for much less money and as a result, the utilities are slightly less than Mass.
As for Roland, I hope he does not get elected and will be voting against him. His silly little vendetta against the board of selectman and the recall cost the town way too much money over a building that cant really be seen from the road, actually looks good and was built on private property legally bought.
I have read a few of his things that I get in the mail and do not agree with anything he has to say. Like any politician, he cherry picks tiny bits of data and ignores the end result to make things out the way he wants them to.

Townie

12:15 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

I saw Dennis Ready show where all they did was talk about Roland. His address was put up on Facebook twice. If that isn't a form of intimidation and bullying, I don't know what is. Also, that Choose Chelmsford campaign was sickening and 40% of the voters voted for the recall.

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Jon Kurland

12:38 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

Townie- When was that? I am not responsible for what Dennis Ready does but he is entitled to his opinion. Who posted his address on FB? The Choose Chelmsford Campaign was much more above board that Roland's Cheating Chelmsford website. Roland continues to deny any involvement with that site but it was hosted by Hands On Technology Transfer, Inc. which is Roland's business. Moreover, Roland invested over $140,000.00 (my best recollection) on the recall and hired a political consultant who had touted that he never lost an election. The Choose Chelmsford group raised $13,000. The fact is that Roland had that amount of financial resources to influence the election and get out his message while the other side didn't. If you asked any seasoned political consultant to predict the results of an election in which one side was outspent 11 to 1 and that same side had an experienced political consultant while the other side had no such adviser, I would wager that every consultant asked would predict a landslide win for the monied side. Maybe there was 40% because Roland sent out allegations that were unsubstantiated and untrue such as I was involved in back room deals or that Epsilon received preferential treatment. In fact, when you compare the LGH project which was approved by the town boards in just a few months with 9 North Road which took 9 months to get approval you can see that there was no preferential treatment. These are my opinions and I stand by them.

ron johnson

12:27 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

Jon,
Sorry, the use of this web site by you any many of your supporters is a form of bullying. Attack one person.disagree and you are quick to jump in as well as many others. The point you made about legal rights could be used by Roland and his attorney as well. I believe you made my point for me. Do you always agree with your clients. Are they always right. I think not. I will have to disagree with you about Paul Cohen, he is not talented nor is he that good at his job. I read the depos and he made many mistakes with the fire station and as far as I am concerned it is still be mishandled. Phil was in a conflict and I really do not care that we was cleared. he was representing one interest while serving on the BOS. The fact that no money changed hands is what saved him. I also do not agree with the assertion that many if not most people did not know what they were signing. If that is so, I guess we have a bunch of dumb voters. I would say that the fact that he is runnnig gives you a chance to see the debates you want to see. Jon, again, I have a right to not agree with you and that seems to bug you the most.

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John Gault

1:19 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

Andrew,

I now understand why you post RVL stories. The comments are always a great read really show how factions in town behave. My sincere apologies!

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Townie

1:22 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

Wow, we need over 1100 employees? No wonder we're all feeling squeezed and we get to pay for the sick day buy back programs and other perks that us suckers in the private sector can only dream about. I totally agree with everything Ron says. Paul Cohen is neither talented or good at his job and what's worse doesn't even live in town. Phil was an absolute, in your face, confict and I don't care who he knew to help get him cleared. People knew exactly what they were signing. What an insult to the residents! They might be apathetic and not show up for elections, but they're not dumb and will show up when their wallets are involved. The fact that you needed a "Choose Chelmsford" speaks for itself and the name alone basically says if you disagree, you're not choosing Chelmsford. How ridiculous! Who was the PR genious who came up with that slogan?

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Jon Kurland

2:46 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

Townie - The fact that we have 1100 employees is because we have 4 elementary, two middle and a high school. The largest group of employees are teachers. We also have two libraries, 6 cemeteries, 230 miles of roads to maintain, 5 fire stations, among others. We do not have an assistant town manager which nearly every community our size has. We stopped sick day buy back in 1991. The fact is that two other communities were trying to steal Paul Cohen away from us. When he took over, our Stabilization fund had been gutted to $1,700,00. He has restored our stabilization fund to $6,000,000 and improved our bond rating twice in the last two years during the height of the recession. He has a budget where we can build a much needed fire station without having to seek an over-ride which would increase taxes. It was made clear at the beginning of his interview that Paul would not move into town and if that was a deal-breaker, the interview should stop. It didn't, and even a Selectman who did not think Paul was the best candidate at the time of hiring has acknowledged his mistake and now states that Paul turned out to be the right choice. Perhaps you would like us to be like Dracut where they can't find a qualified Town Manager? Townie, every candidate for Selectman except Roland, and including Bob Joyce, has stated that Paul is doing a good job. Rather than saying that Paul is not talented, provide me with some examples. I have provided some to you so please enlighten me.

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Jon Kurland

10:00 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

Rob C. - The mandate for using police officers on details is state law not a Chelmsford requirement. That is why you don't see police details in New Hampshire. If you disagree with this law, and I can completely understand your position, you should take it up with your State Representative and State Senator. Those are the only ones whou can change this. Not your Selectmen nor your Town Manager.

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Rob C.

10:29 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

Jon,
Actually it is up to the town now to decide if a civilian flagger or a police detail is used.
The law requiring police instead of flagmen was changed in 2008 by Deval Patrick.
Since the change in the law I have NEVER seen a single work site anywhere in this state that was done by a flagger and I am driving all over mass. Only one I saw was on the news in Woburn and that was because police unions were picketing the use of civilians and disrupting traffic.
The law says that it is up to the towns to choose if flaggers or police are to be used, if it is a town road and if the speed limit on the road is under 45 mph. Up to the state if state owned road and under 45.

When all the work was done on 27 and the center this fall with the gas lines going in (speed limit 25 and town owned I believe in that area), why were so many police required for that? The road would be closed and a detour sign put up with an arrow and yet there was a police officer sitting texting or sleeping in his car right behind every sign. I never saw less than 4 detail police during that work, multiple times two police standing on detail at the same sign, and the road was closed. Anywhere else in the world the detour sign is enough for this.
If we eliminated the use of police in these situations our utilities might actually go down (not likely) or they may not go up as much as they do now.

Jon Kurland

11:46 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013

Rob C. You are correct about the law change. Section 10 of Chapter 86 of the Acts of 2008 changed the police detail law. It is the Police Chief's decision of whether to use flag people. However, since it is past practice to assign police officers to details, the issue would need to be collectively bargained. This is why 4 1/2 years later, one does not see this occurring at the local level in any towns. I doubt that there would be any appreciable savings on you utility bills but I suggest that if any town tried to bargain this away, the unions would seek greater pay raises which would have a much greater impact on municipal budgets. Moreover, if a municipality and the police union does not resolve a contract dispute, the matter goes to binding arbitration and since all other communities use police flag details, the difficulty in changing that contractual provision is remote, at best. If a municipality goes to abitration it also increases municipal legal expenses.

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jim

3:35 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013

RVL was elected to Town Meeting and has since missed the majority of town meetings. If RVL cannot fulfill the requirements of the least time consuming elected position, why would he deserve a vote for Selectman?

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Dave Dubinsky

3:15 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

During the period of time in which RVL was attempting to remove most of the Town's Selectmen from office, he spearheaded a door to door, hand delivered mail drop-off, via a canvassing of our Town residences. On four (4) separate occasions, representatives of this Van Liew effort illegally trespassed onto the private property of the Williamsburg Condominiums I & II, located in North Chelmsford, violating the posted non-canvassing and non-solicitation regulations of these two private communities. On three of these occasions, RVL operatives, were confronted by me and/or other members of our Association, and told that they were violating posted, private property access regulations. On one occasion, the lead individual became beligerent. I told this individual to contact the police, or I would, if she and they failed to leave the premises. Shortly thereafter, she returmed with a officer of the CPD. I explained our Association's position, re: canvassing and soliciting, and directed the officer to our signage, at the entrance to our community. The officer reviewed our posted signage and returned to inform the group that they must leave the property, because they were in violation of the posted Private Property warnings.

I cannot, in good conscience, endorse/vote for any individual who knowingly and repeatedly supports actions that violate the law, and demonstrate little regard for the privacy of fellow citizens. And, ignorance is not an acceptable defense.

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Iron Mike

4:10 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Dave, did you go through Benning in '70?

Dave Dubinsky

4:57 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

No, Mike. I "vacationed" at Parris Island and Camp Lejuene, before heading to 8th & I.

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