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Should the State Install High-Speed Tolls on I-93?

Asked about toll fairness during a Patch live chat, Governor Deval Patrick asked a reader whether he'd support high-speed tolls. Are these a good way to share the transportation funding pain, or another money grab?

 

Are high-speed tolls along Interstate 93 and other highways a smart way to help fund transportation in the state? Governor Deval Patrick mentioned such a system during a Patch live chat on Thursday.

If you've gone up Interstate 95 into New Hampshire, you've seen high-speed tolling in action. The system is designed to read your EZ-Pass (nee Fast Lane) transponder while you breeze by at 65 miles per hour. There's no need to slow down or squeeze though a booth, as EZ-Pass users currently do on the Mass Pike, Tobin Bridge and harbor tunnels.

The chat moved on to other topics, so no details about implementation were offered.

What do you think? Would tolls along I-93 offer some fairness to riders in Boston, MetroWest and North Shore, who all pay tolls getting into the city? Or are tolls in general a bad way to fund transportation projects in the state? Share your thoughts in the comments section below.

Related Topics: Deval Patrick, I-93, MassDOT, and Tolls

Mario Marchese

11:44 am on Friday, September 28, 2012

I would put them not only on 93, but on Rte 3 as well, right at the border. If NH can stick it to us we can stick it to them.

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Brian

9:19 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

So every time I go to NH to avoid sales tax I would have to pay a toll. No thanks.

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Luis

10:01 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Yes, everytime you commit tax evasion you should pay a toll. In fact, the toll taker should inspect your vehicle for new items you purchase and charge you sales tax.

Jarret Bencks

11:45 am on Friday, September 28, 2012

This possibility was also raised earlier this year as the MBTA faced its budget crisis.

http://medford.patch.com/articles/rep-garballey-nh-mass-i-93-border-toll-will-be-considered-to-fund-transit

The closest toll to Boston on I-93 heading north is in Hooksett, N.H., about 60 miles away.

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Stacie

11:46 am on Friday, September 28, 2012

Once you start with tolls all funding from the Federal Government for road repairs will end.

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Splice

11:49 am on Friday, September 28, 2012

Do you really want another tax? I don't!

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Mario Marchese

12:16 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

No not really, just tired of hearing how great NH is. If they can toll us to go to NH we should toll them to come to NH, after all Rte 3 primarily benefits traffic coming from NH to Mass and taking our JOBS!!

Norcam Rob

12:06 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

I don't think we need more tolls, what I believe we really need is a smarter, honest, and more sensible way to spend the money that we already pay for our roads.

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TMHSGrad

11:03 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

Smart, honest, and sensible? You must be joking. This is MA!

nikki

12:08 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

Traffic is already bad enough putting in tolls will only add to an already giant problem!

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Norcam Rob

12:10 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

And, what good are tolls if there are ways you and I can get around them. If you factor in travel time, you can usually plan a toll-free route.

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Richard Jertz

12:24 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

What did Miceli tell you to say that Mario?

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Mario Marchese

12:45 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

Speaking of which, would love to hear what Rep Miceli, Sen Brue Tarr, Doug Sears, John Tierney or Richard Tisei would say about this. Good idea Richard!

Gene Pinkham

12:38 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

A prank pulled on Freshman State Reps from Barnstable County was to get them to sponsor a bill to put tolls on the Bourne and Sagamore bridges. The state doesn't own them. They and the canal are owned and operated by the Army Corp of Engineers.

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Charlie Denison

12:57 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

Yes, I think high-speed tolls would be an excellent way to capture much needed transportation revenue from those who are driving the longest distances and in the case of I-93 from those who are benefiting most from our multi-billion dollar investment to bury and expand the highway through downtown. We will be paying off that debt for years and it's only fair that much of the funds used to pay that debt come directly from those using the new infrastructure.

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Amy P.

1:46 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

Not for anything...but why is it again that we pay that yearly robbery of an excise tax? Get rid of that and then talk about it.

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Brian

1:48 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

What people forget is, once tolls come up, they never come down.

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Dan D.

2:10 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

The state gets enough money already. Give it more and it will simply spend more and still cry broke. No more tolls.

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Erika J.

2:12 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

No way. As if money isn't already tight on the middle class, a toll would affect workers making that grueling, traffic filled commute everyday to work.

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Comment

2:35 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

I think they should add the high speed lane just where tolls already exist. I don't think additional tolls are needed. The high speed lane at the Hampton tolls (as well as the entire length of the NJ turnpike) saves quite a bit of time.

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Steve Meuse

2:39 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

I think if they toll 93 or 3 they should tie commuter rail expansion to it. If they do a route 3 toll, extend the Lowell Line to Concord via Nashua, Manchester, and Manchester Airport. If they toll I-93, extend the Haverhill Line to Plaistow. NH doesn't believe in rail, but if there was a toll, it would make it much more attractive to build. Both of these proposals are in the planning stages, but NH is dragging its feet. Both have federal funds available to cover a majority of the infrastructure costs and the rest would be funded by NH.

What ends up happening for MA is that NH pays for the part of the commuter rail operating in NH, but MA benefits because it causes increased service on the line for those in MA along the route. It's already working out very well for the Providence Line extension further into RI.

To those who commute from NH, that's uneconomical in general. And to those who complain about their tax dollars going to transit projects when they never use transit, consider the fact that some don't have cars but are paying MUCH more to maintain the roadway system.

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Kelly Ilebode

2:50 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

Wasn't the mass pike tolls supposed to have been temporary? I am not a fan of tolls on 93....I am not convinced the $$$ go to repairing the roads... :(

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Chuck

3:00 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

What we need is HONEST POLITICIANS who don't steal from us.

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Sue Carter

3:33 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

Don't forget those NH commuters who work in MA pay MA income taxes. I for one do not think our secondary road networks can handle the volumes of traffic resulting from people not wanting to pay the tolls. Time to be smarter in spending our tax dollars - tolls are not the snswer.

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Steve McMahan

3:38 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

The only reason that this is a bad idea is because of how wastefully the government spends our money, which causes these budget problems. If they take more, they will just spend more in a wasteful manner. That being said, Sedan Deval will get it done.

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Steven

4:26 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

I will just take the back roads and just go around the tolls.

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Tom Gilroy

7:33 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

What have the tolls on the Mass Turnpike ever funded? More hack high paying jobs with ridiculous benefits and early retirement. We don't need any more state workers and another state agency.

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Brian

9:16 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

the roads on the turnpike much better than elsewhere in the state

Gregg M.

8:54 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Lesson from the Tobin bridge? "After two years of construction, the Mystic River Bridge opened to traffic on February 27, 1950. In the years immediately following the opening of the span, connections were constructed to the Central Artery (I-93 and US 1) and the Northeast Expressway (US 1). During its first full year of operation, the bridge carried approximately 13.5 million vehicles. The original plan called for Massport to remove the tolls and hand over jurisdiction of the bridge to the commonwealth once the last of the $27 million in bonds were retired in 1978."

Source: http://www.bostonroads.com/crossings/tobin/

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cindy

10:04 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012

no more tolls..I already pay my fair share to have my car on the road. I pay a high excise tax and I payed sales tax when I purchased the damn car brand new. this is just another way for the state to tax ppl who actually work for a living. I would like the state to implement taxing bicyclist. they use the roads too and we payed for these bike lanes for them. Pull them over for not using hand signals and nearly causing accidents. The rules of the road apply the same way to bicyclists.

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Spartan438

11:10 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Definitely at the NH border coming into Mass. There are a lot of people from NH who work in Boston that pay no sales tax in their own state. Tax them!

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MattS

11:54 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Skip adding more tolls and find some other way to generate revenue for the state.

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David Anderson

2:19 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Build super garages over 93, 3 and 95 with one lane devoted to access ramp straight up, gates to automatically shunt cars to unfilled levels to avoid slot searching and high speed articulated buses in a special lane to Boston. Reverse in p.m. using one dedicated lane.Make it affordable:one bus, fifty fewer cars. 25 minutes from Lowell or Danvers, reverse in p.m. and wifi while you "fly".

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robert wilson

2:20 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Absolutly not, we have State and federal taxes on fuel for our vehicles that are supposed to be used for inferstructure repair, it always never seems to be availible when the repairs are needed.

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Who Me?

4:15 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Thanks for a dose of common sense.

What the hell is wrong with us...really?

When Romney left office we had a surplus in our budget. We had dropped from #2 to #26 in overall tax burden and had positive ratings as a State to do business in.

Under Deval we have had increases in sales taxes, gas taxes, fees and fines and what have yous. We have risen back up to the 6th most highest taxed State (and climbing) and Forbes just recently ranked us near the bottom in States rated poorly in terms of doing business in.

How much more damage so we want to do to ourselves exactly?

The MBTA is now being accused of "losing" over 100 million dollars. Lost or stolen? This is simply the tip of the iceburg.

We don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem. Lack of management and oversight allows the problems at the MBTA, State Crime Lab and other agencies to simply waste too much of our hard earned dollars.

Tolls will only continue to feed an already miss managed system.

If it wasn't for the recession Deval had plans to raise the gas tax (again) and the excise tax. He also wants open road tolling where we are billed for how many miles we drive in a year, and yes this will be in addition to the current excise and gas tax revenues.

All you tax and spenders, where will it end?

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Percy

8:39 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Who's me:

Actually, MA is still in smack in the middle in terms of taxation as a percentage of per capita income (#22): using rankings based on absolute $$ is very misleading because per capita income varies considerably from state to state, and it's much higher in MA than in most other states.

Dave Gray

5:20 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012

I appreciate the sentiment, but some of your facts are a little skewed. I'll assume your contention that we went from #2 to #26 in overall tax burden is accurate, but that calculation doesn't include the massive increase in almost all fees that were put in place by Romney. Most fees doubled - or worse - and if those increases, which I consider taxes, but the calculation does not, were factored in those numbers would change dramatically. Your basic contention thoug - that we have a spending problem - I agree with. Waste is killing us.

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Chuck

5:25 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012

What's the purpose of the GAS tax, I thought it was to pay for the upkeep of the roads. I guess the politicians figure better in THEIR pockets then ours.

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robert wilson

8:10 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012

A toll on 93 would be an extrta bonus for them.

Gregory S Wallace

1:03 pm on Sunday, September 30, 2012

Joe, YOU have to fund it your selves with your money. If something goes wrong with the account even if it is not your fault YOU get dunned.Good luck straightening it out. This has been a common complaint ever since EZPASS was instituted in NH. There have been many MANY complaints. When there is an issue with the fees you have to go through hell to straighten it out. People have been getting billed for going through two toll booths at the same time on the same day. NOT POSSIBLE! I have gotten a free pass on several occasions while I pulled up to the cash booth. All the tolls taker said was" Go ahead you must have EZPASS." I can assure you I don't. Somebody got the bill and had to dispute it. A woman in Manchester got a bill for going through tolls in N.J. while she was bed ridden. They told her she must have let someone borrow her car.
Joe there is a reason that when you go to a EZPASS office they are behind a wall of bullet proof glass. So Joe, how long have you been working there at EZPASS?

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Joe Veno

6:14 pm on Sunday, September 30, 2012

Gregory, Of course you have to fund it with your money. Whos money do you think you would fund it with? You seem to know a lot about a program you are not involved in. So we can all assume all your comments are hearsay. You say toll takers have let you through MANY times without an EZPASS. If this is so and I doubt it, You are breaking the law and are part of the problem. Also I do no and have not ever worked for EZPASS.

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Gregory S Wallace

9:47 pm on Sunday, September 30, 2012

joe veno, You were never very good at reading comprehension were you? You have to give them access to your money when you set up the account. Then they take it out of your account even if it's inaccurate. You have to dispute it AFTER the fact if it is inacurate which it often is. Like the poor bedridden lady in manchester who was billed toll fees in N.J.
I wrote an op ed piece for the Manchester union leader back whenNH first instituted EZPASS. I did a lot of research BEFORE I wrote the article including interviews with many EZPASS victims this is not hearsay. I also found out that the CRASH rate peaks the closer you get to the tolls and tapers off again the further you get away from the tolls.This is statistical information I got from the NH dept of safety. This is true in ANY state that has tolls including EZPASS. Oh by the way in my article I called it EZCRASH because it increased the crash rate when it was instituted. Look it up Joe. Tolls Including the ones in NH are killers. Toll booth crashes are more preventable than drunk driving. All you have to do is remove them. Unless of course you are addicted to the revenue they generate.
Joe you have to be a Mass state worker of somekind, tolls perhaps?

KND

4:59 pm on Sunday, September 30, 2012

To Gregory S. Does it make you feel important to mock someone's speech impediment? Maybe you should look up how to spell the mayor of Boston's name before you make fun of him also.I bet it feels real cool to be a bully! KND

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cindy

7:17 pm on Sunday, September 30, 2012

I think gregory purposely wrote it the way mumbles would sound it.lol

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Gregory S Wallace

10:18 pm on Sunday, September 30, 2012

KND
People like you are the enabler of people like Mumbles Menino ( I don't care how the moron spells his name.) Barney Frank, Gov Deval. Not to mention every other corrupt politician in your state.
. Remember Billy Bulger? How about the mayor of Lawrence do you know anything about him. How many speakers of the house have gone to jail from your state? Do you know or even care? How much corruption are you willing to put up with there. I'm not trying to be a bully I am trying to point out the obvious. If you reward bad behavior you get more of the same. that Makes you an enabler.
There is a reason that you have so much corruption in your state. Simply put you allow it because you don't want to deal with it. I should think you would care enough to try change things there but instead you defend the moron. That isn't a speech impediment that's stupidity.

cindy

7:23 pm on Sunday, September 30, 2012

to Gregory S.
yes this state is corrupt with many tax burdens. I've been waiting to move to NH for a few years now. taking care of my sick mom but once that's over, my house will be up for sale and i am GONE. I will have the same salary as I do in Mass if I move so no loss in that end but I pick up more on the other end with more cash in wallet.

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Gregory S Wallace

10:36 pm on Sunday, September 30, 2012

Cindy, Sorry about your Mom. Been there done that. NH isn't perfect but at least we can still influence the state of events here. I work a lot in Mass and I have been asked many times if I was hiring so that person can move to NH. The problem is they can't sell their house so they would still be paying Mass income tax. Don't forget to thank Barney Frank for that. He screwed all of us. YEESH what a horrible thought!

cindy

5:58 am on Monday, October 1, 2012

barney frank never represented my area therefore he was never on my ballot. we can thank the folks down the southcoast for that. I bought my home 2 yrs ago. I waited for the housing bubble to burst first. When I do get to sell I will probably break even or lose just a little bit. I should gain since folks can not afford to buy in neighboring towns like cambridge and medford they can only go north or south of boston wherever is cheapest.

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Ashley Troutman

12:20 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012

Comments have been removed from this article due to profanity and personal attacks. Please be civil when commenting.

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DaveR

9:23 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012

No the money will be wasted. Politicians are like hogs at the trough.

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Marc Levine

10:03 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

I'm still all for the Cape Cod Canal tunnel project

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Alex Finnegan

9:29 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

The Pike toll was supposedly temporary, & I forget the figure but something ridiculous like .85 cents on the dollar goes to non road funds now.

It's a hard call, pike goers get a raw deal. The 495,3,93 travelers bear none of the burden.

Is it fair…no. Especially since the tolls were supposed to be removed long ago. Would putting up tolls on the other roadways even things up, sure. But do we really trust the Govt with their promises on where the money will go, or how long the booths will stay there. I don't.

As to the border crossing, that's going to happen everywhere. You will never stop it. If it is genuinely a big enough problem instead of fighting it MA should be thinking of ways to use it to their advantage. I.e. Lower sales tax instead of raising it. Lower it to the point where the current high gas prices make the trip up the NH a wash. There are some clever people out there with access to the figures & I'm pretty sure something could be figured out.

The higher you raise sales tax the more you push people to NH, & NH is loving MA for it. Especially with such a huge border. NH is being clever about things.

I could be wrong about this but I don't think the "tax evasion" claim would hold up in court for consumers or Co's. Business have to report and pay the sales tax. But the court challenge would be what right does MA have to regulate out of state commerce. Outsourcing is done in all major business in the world. Why is MA any different, because they want to?

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Alex Finnegan

9:38 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

What is CT's sales tax rate 6.35-7% Think of all the people who would flock to MA for the typically lower gas prices and half a sales tax rate. NY too. It's just one idea but MA should be looking to use NH's strategy to it's benefit instead of stupidly raising sales tax and driving commerce elsewhere. People wouldn't bother to go to NH with a n approximately 3% sales tax, it's not worth the gas. The CT'ers and NY'ers would be coming here for the savings on sales tax AND gas and the centralized MA residents would get a break too. There are ways around most things, people are just too stupid to think about it, and when it comes to stupidity, MA is no slouch.

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